Similarities between Georgian and Armenian alphabets (b)


(BEING CONTINUED FROM 30/07/17)

THE ORIGIN OF THE GEORGIAN AB

The origin of the Georgian alphabet is controversial. Whereas the Roman and Greek alphabets are the results of slow and gradual transformations of older scripts (rather than of deliberate creation), the Georgian alphabet shows up in history pretty much out of nowhere. This makes it plausible that it was invented, either by one person or several. So the obvious question is: who did it?

Historical tradition gives two conflicting answers. The first comes from a medieval Georgian chronicle called “The Lives of the Kings of Kartli.” It tells of Parnavaz, the first Kartlian king, who reigned in the third century BC. Among other exploits, the chronicle has it that Parnavaz devised the Georgian “script” (მწიგნობრობა, mtsignobroba). Somehave interpreted this to mean that he developed the Georgian alphabet, butmtsignobroba can also mean “literacy” or simply “writing.” This writing could have been writing in the Georgian alphabet, but more likely it was writing in the Aramaic alphabet, which at the time was the script of the Persians. This is confirmed by archeology, which has found pre-Christian traces of the Aramaic alphabet in Georgia, but none of the Georgian. Georgian schoolchildren are taught this story.

The second traditional answer is that the Georgian alphabet was invented in the fourth century AD by an Armenian priest named Mesrop Mashtots, the same guy who invented the Armenian alphabet. This oft-repeated claim, found in a fifth-century hagiography of Mashtots, is supported by graphical similarities between several characters of the Armenian and Georgian alphabets. However, it is suspect for several reasons. For one thing, the entire passage containing the story may well have been added at a much later date, in which case it would certainly be made up. Supposing the story is part of the original history, it is not independently corroborated by any other historical source, Armenian, Georgian, or otherwise, and this is a problem when dealing with a story which the author has motive to make up (for instance, to make Mashtots and thereby Armenia seem more glorious). Besides this, the story also has it that Mashtots needed an interpreter to spread his newly-created alphabet to the Georgians, but it’s unrealistic to imagine that an alphabet with such a tight letter-to-sound correspondence as the Georgian one could have been created by someone without a masterful command of the language. All of this is to say that there’s very little reason to believe that Mashtots was the inventor of the Georgian alphabet.

[Update 7/13/15: Apparently my opinion is not clear enough for stupid readers, so I’ll make it plain: I don’t believe that Mesrop Mashtots invented the Georgian alphabet. That story is Armenian propaganda.]

Legend also has it, by the way, that Mesrop Mashtots invented an alphabet for the Caucasian Albanians (the former inhabitants of what is now Azerbaijan, who have nothing to do with modern Azeris or European Albanians). This alphabet was not known until the 20th century, when somebody found a page of it in an old Armenian book. Not surprisingly, it looks similar to both the Georgian and Armenian alphabets.

ALBANIAN AB

Maybe it’s just as well that this was forgotten. I mean, did Transcaucasia really need another writing system?

So if it wasn’t him and it wasn’t Parnavaz, then who was it? Here things become speculative. It could be that the story about Mashtots is not a lie but an exaggeration, and Mashtots was a part of or a consultant to the team of scholars that created the Georgian alphabet. The alphabet almost certainly came about in connection with the spread of Christianity in Georgia, but that doesn’t narrow things down much. Georgian Christians could have made the alphabet to bring religion to their compatriots, or it could have been made by foreign missionaries, the way Cyril and Methodius and their followers made alphabets for the Slavs. We can safely assumethat whoever invented it was fully literate in at least one major foreign language, but experts can’t even agree on whether it was Greek, Aramaic, or something else. In short, very little is known.

Actually, all of this bears only on the ancient Georgian alphabet (asomtavruli), which is distinct from the modern one (mkhedruli). The question of how the modern alphabet came about is much less speculative than the question of how the ancient one came about, but it is also much less interesting. It will suffice to say that the modern alphabet ultimately derives from a cursive form of the ancient.

COMMENTS

Well, just compare Georgian to some other alphabets first and only then make a decision. It sure has not appeared out of nowhere

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Legend or call it what you want that Georgian alphabet was created in the fourth century AD is a big lie. I also appreciate that you mention that it is as a propaganda. Even more there are enough proof that in 1 A.D. Georgians had already had their own alphabet. If anyone wants to get more information about it just google in English The Bilingual Inscription from Armazi or in German Die Armazi-Bilingue and you will found out that it is dated to 1. century A.D.

 

While this article is non-ambiguous about Mashtots(h), one line is still confusing me: “Georgian schoolchildren are taught this story.” What exactly is “this story”? Is the previous sentence (“This is confirmed by archeology…”) a part of “this story”? If I read the paragraph straight, what they’re taught should be: “Legend has it that the Georgian alphabet was invented by P(h)arnavaz, but this myth is poorly supported by archeological evidence.” But then, the article implies that the Georgian National Museum is “lying.” If so, perhaps Georgian children are not taught the scientific facts either?

Also, calling the Aramaic alphabet “the script of the Persians” is misleading. Maybe you’re referring to the Imperial Aramaic alphabet, used officially and widely in the Persian Empire until about 330 BCE. However, the Persians themselves did not use this writing system to write their own language (Old Persian); they had their own script. As such, the Imperial Aramaic alphabet was not the script of the Persians in the normal sense. Or maybe you’re using the term “the Aramaic alphabet” vaguely, referring to various writing systems derived from the Imperial Aramaic alphabet, collectively. But the “Aramaic alphabet” in such a collective sense is certainly not the script of the Persians — it was used mainly by Aramaic-speakers, most notably Jews and Syrians. To be fair, there exist Aramaic-based scripts used by the Persians, namely Pahlavi. However, Pahlavi scripts are not usually called “the Aramaic alphabet”!

Random thoughts/observations:
(1) Only one L
The Armenian alphabet has two L’s. Apparently, Mashtots(h) was a guy who thought there should be two separate letters to write a Light L and a Dark L (Book Pahlavi was also like that). If the same guy had created an alphabet for the Georgian language, probably there would have been two L’s in it as well, given that Georgian also has a Light L and a Dark L (allophones). In reality, each of the Georgian alphabets has only one L. I consider this is another fact that suggests that the Georgian alphabet was NOT created by Mashtots(h), but it was designed by someone else — someone with a “phonemic-not-phonetic” mindset. The design is “tight,” as the article states.

(2) P-J-R not P-Q-R
While the letter order of the Georgian alphabet is basically Greek, one thing is definitely not Greek-like, but Aramaic-like. That is, we have ჟ (jh) between პ (p’) and რ (r)! If it were Greek-like, there would be Qoppa (Koppa) in this position (π-ϙ-ρ). Aronson does say ჟ is the Georgian version of Qoppa (A Reading Grammar, Table 1.2), but that’s questionable, as Qoppa would be obviously ყ or ჴ in Georgian. Now, the Aramaic alphabet has two letters between “p” and “r”: one is “q” just like in Greek, the other is Ṣade. The position of the Georgian ჟ makes much more sense if it is seen as a kind of Ṣade (or the ancient San in Greek). This fact alone is not very convincing, as it might be something accidental, but the exact same thing happens also in the Armenian alphabet! They have ջ (j) between պ (p) and ռ (r)! This P-J-R (instead of P-Q-R), seen both in Armenian and Georgian, may be betraying the influence of Aramaic, hidden deep in much greater Greek influence.

(3) Peshitta influence?
It seems that both the Armenian alphabet and he Georgian alphabet were created because churches wanted to translate the Bible into Armenian/Georgian respectively, perhaps in the first half of the fifth century. I always think this may have been partially stimulated by Peshitta — the standard (but not the oldest) Syriac version of the Bible, completed around 400. Though, this would not necessarily mean that Georgians were inspired by Peshitta in a friendly manner. The thing is, the Council of Ephesus (431) and the Council of Chalcedon (451) concluded that the Syriac churches were “heretical”. So, at that time, Georgian priests might have been thinking: “We need to have our own Bible translation ASAP, so that we won’t be influenced by those heretical neighbors. We need a new alphabet, not an Aramaic-based one, because Aramaic is heretical!” If so, that’s rather sad, especially given that Jesus himself spoke Aramaic.

 

What exactly is “this story”?

I can see the ambiguity. I mean the schoolchildren are taught the Parnavaz story. I doubt they are told the doubts about that story, at least not at an early age, but I don’t know enough to say for sure. Is the story a “lie”? I wouldn’t say so. I mean, it’s not obviously false, like those dumbass stories about George Washington that American schoolchildren are taught.

As far as the “Aramaic alphabet”, I confess that I don’t know nearly enough to get into specifics. I think what we can say is 1) the Persians were the major regional power at the time, and 2) they used some form of the Aramaic alphabet in some official capacity, so 3) literate people in the Caucasus would very likely have some knowledge of it. I don’t think the details beyond that are especially important for this topic (but then again, I don’t know the details, so maybe I’m wrong here).

 

Maybe it would have been clearer if you’d put the sentence “Georgian schoolchildren are taught this” somewhere in the middle of the paragraph, not at the very end. Currently, it sounds like Theory #1 is SO questionable that even Georgian children are taught to doubt it, which would suggest that Theory #2 is relatively better, hence angry complaints from confused readers! 😀

I think I understand what you’re saying about the Aramaic alphabet, except “at the time” doesn’t make sense. The Persian Empire had already fallen in the fourth century BCE, and they were not the major power *at the time* (the Greeks were), if you’re talking about the third century BCE. I would imagine: “In the third century BCE, Georgian may have been written in a script (possibly their own script) derived, directly or indirectly, from the Imperial Aramaic alphabet — the alphabet which had been widely used in the Persian Empire until the previous century; OR, it may have been simply written in the Greek alphabet.”

At least superficially, a few of the Asomtavruli letters look like Parthian or Pahlavi. Could you post some pictures or links, showing examples (maybe inscriptions or coins?) where Georgian words are written in an Aramaic-based script?

 

SOURCE  georgiasomethingyouknowwhatever.wordpress.com ,

THE ORIGIN OF THE ARMENIAN AB

Did the Armenians have  an alphabet before Mashtots?  There is evidence which supports this assertion.

One of the Classical accounts about the existence of an Armenian alphabet comes from Philo of Alexandria (20 BCE – 50 CE), who in his writings notes that the work of the renowned Greek philosopher and historian Metrodorus of Scepsis ( ca. 145 BCE – 70 BCE),On Animals, was also translated into Armenian. Metrodorus was a close friend and a court historian of the Armenian Emperor Tigranes the Great. Amongst his great works, Metrodorus also wrote the biography of the King of Kings, Tigranes the Great. Another Third Century Roman History and Church theologian, Hyppolytus of Rome (170-235 CE), in his Chronicle, while writing about the history of the reign of his contemporary, Emperor Alexander Severus (reigned 208-235 CE), mentions that the Armenians are amongst those nations who have their own distinct alphabet.

Philostratus the Athenian, a renowned sophist of Second and Third centuries AD in his The Life of Apollonius of Tyana, wrote:

“And they say that a pard was once caught in Pamphylia which was wearing a chain round its neck, and the chain was of gold, and on it was inscribed in Armenian lettering: ‘The king Arsaces to the Nysian god.’” (Philostratus, The Life of Apollonius of Tyana, Book II, Chapter II, pp. 120-121, tr. by F. C. Conybeare, 1912)

According to the Fifth Century Armenian Historian Movses of Khoren, Bardesanes (154-222 CE) of Edessa, who founded the Gnostic current of the Bardaisanites, went to the Armenian castle of Ani and there read the work of a pre-Christian, Armenian priest by the name of Voghyump, written in the Mithraic (Mehean or Mihrean lit. of Mihr or of Mithra – the Armenian national God of Light, Truth and the Sun) script of the Armenian temples in which, amongst other histories, an episode was noted of the Armenian King Tigranes VII (reigned from 144-161, and again 164-186 CE) erecting a monument on the tomb of his brother, the Mithraic High Priest of the Kingdom of Greater Armenia, Mazhan. Movses of Khoren notes that the renowned scholar Bardesanes, translated this Armenian book into Syriac (Aramaic), and later also into Greek. Another important evidence for the existence of a pre-Mashtotsian alphabet is the fact that the Armenian heathen pantheon included Tir, who was the Patron God of Writing and Science.

A 13th century Armenian historian, Vardan Areveltsi, in his History, notes that during the reign of the Armenian King Leo the Magnificent (reigned 1187-1219), artifacts were found bearing “Armenian inscriptions of the heathen kings of the ancient times…” The evidence that the Armenian scholars of the Middle Ages knew about the existence of a pre-Mashtotsian alphabet can also be found in other medieval works, including the first book composed in Mashtotsian alphabet by the pupil of Mashtots, Koriwn, in the first half of the Fifth Century. Koriwn notes that Mashtots was told of the existence of ancient Armenian letters which he was initially trying to integrate into his own alphabet (according to the research done by Gevork Nazaryan, Armenologist, Historian (http://www.armenianhighland.com/index_light.html). To get more information one can also read the research done by Levon Pogosyan http://ru.scribd.com/doc/236975940/%D4%B3%D4%BB%D5%90%D5%94 (p.22)

Although a lot of the ancient Armenian culture was swept aside with the dominance of the new religion, there is still some pagan influence felt today, a reflection of which can be found in that very god, Tir, referred to as the “Writer” or “Grogh” (“Krogh” in Western Armenian).   God Tir who was the God of Literature, Science and Art, the God of wisdom, culture, science and studies,  was also an interpreter of dreams. Tir was the messenger of the gods. His temple was called “Aramazds grchi divan” and meant for studying sciences. His temple was the seat of oracles, the interpreter of dreams, the defender of arts and letters. Tir was called the scribe of Aramazd.

The problem of the origin of the Armenian alphabet has always been on the focus of the attention of Armenology. Traditionally in scientific circles the opinion that the Armenian alphabet essentially was formed on the base of the Greek, Aramaic and Iranian letters has gained ground.

Vahan Sargsyan proposed a new method to decipher the Armenian letters – the method of internal reconstruction. The author observes the problem of the origin of the Armenian letters apart from the external comparison exclusively basing on data internals of Armenian.

The essence of the internal reconstruction is as follows:

  • The Armenian alphabet has a national root which derives from rock-carvings dating from the period between V and II millenniums BC, as well as from the symbolic images of celestial bodies, etc..
  • The internal reconstruction of the Armenian letters is based on the connections between the sounds and characters. In time the Armenian sound have bore certain changes and precisely by those changes was the correspondent modifications of the characters caused. And if the connections between the Armenian sounds are reestablished, thus, in that way the relationship between the letters is reconstructed. In Armenian the sounds do not exist independently from each other, that is why neither the Armenian letters are independent from each other.  And everything that has taken place in the system of Armenian soundhas simulataniously been reflected also in the system of the characters of the language – in its alphabet. If we want to etymologize a word we add it to another one, and if we want to explain the origins of any sound we connect it with another one. The same occurs with the Armenian alphabet to decipher the characters of which is possible via adding one letter (character) to the other.
  • Thus in the internal reconstruction of the characters the mechanisms of the internal reconstruction of words and sounds are applied, that is to say, the order of the development of words and sounds is applicable to the characters too. Leaving the unessential details apart, we can see that three major principles have been affected the formation of the Armenian letters: partition of the grafic image, duplication of the character, metathesis.

Let’s briefly present the process of formation of the Armenian alphabet underlining the principal tendencies and orders.

  • The available data show that up to fifth century AC the Armenian alphabet has passed a long route of development and has carried certain changes. In the formation of the Armenian alphabet the first letter Ա (A) has played an enormous role. Up today it has been believed that Ա  would have had Greek or Semitic origin. Actually the letter Ա  derives from he ancient rock carvings where it symbolized first – the image of the sun, later on, it imaged a man and a ram. First the sun was symbolized by a simple circle which was pronounced as արեւ (arev) which later was devided and the syllable ար (ar) was conserved. Such partition of the word caused the partition of circle. As a result the circle  transformed into the character Ա, as follows:

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The parted circle according to its structure stands rather close to the symbols of ram which are rather frequently met in rock carvings. As the result of the changes of these symbols the character Ա  emerged. Here we have some of the above mentioned symbols:

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As it seems probable, in ancient times this Armenian character has stood for the ար  (ar), as the animals imaged by them are the rams the Armenian names of which are առն արու (arren, aru). There is also an Armenian word այծ (aits) “goat”, the old form of which is արտի (arti) “wild mutton”, formed by the root ար (ar). It is not casual that Armenians have given to the rock carvings the denomination իծագիր (itsagir) “goat scripts”. As it refers to the denomination այբ (aib) for the letter Ա (A), it is connected with the Armenian word արեւ (arev) “sun” (result of the transformation արեւ – այբ (arev-aib)) that is to say ancient Armenians have called the first letter of their alphabet by the name of the sun.

Later the character Ա  (A), which was pronounced as ար (ar) was separated into two parts turning into two different letters -Ա (A) and Ր (R):

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In Armenian works the phonetic evolution ար – այ (ar-ay) as a consequence of which the syllable ար (ar)  is transformed into այ (ay) and correspondingly the symbols of ram obtain the form of the Armenian letter Յ

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It is possible that in the epoch of rock carvings the character Յ  might be pronounced as այ (ay) instead of simple յ (y).

The following process of the internal reconstructions of the Armenian letters is connected with the gradual transformations of the diphthong այ (ay), as well as, if the  character Յ via the principle of the partition of the graphic character. Here we have the principal variants of the evolution:

  • the Armenian diphthong այ (ay) changes into Է (é) as, for example, այգ (ayg) “morning”, էգուց (éguts) “at day break”, փայտ-փէտ (payt-pet) “wood”, կայծակ  կէծակ (kaytsak-kétsak) “spark”, պայծառ-պէծ  (paytsar-pets) “bright”, etc. This regularity shows that the character Յ  in its turn would have been transformed into Է (é), then into Ե (ye). In fact this evolution could have occurred in the following way:

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From the other side it is known that in Armenian the sound Է (é) changes into Ի  (i), as  for example, գէտ-գիտել (get-gitel) “to know”, մէջ-միջոց (mej-mijots) “means”, գէս-գիսակ (ges-gisak) “hair”, etc. As a consequence of this phonetic evolution, the later Է (é) changed into Ի (i) in following form:

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The development of the Armenian sound Ի (i) is also known: it changes into Ը  (in English pronounced as the indefinite article a, for instance, a book) and correspondingly the character may derive from the letter Ի (i) or Է (é), in the following mode.

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As we have said, the Armenian diphthong այ (ay) changes into է (é): simultaneously another variant also exists: այ-աւ  (ay-aw), that is to say յ – ւ (y-w) as, for example, բայ-բաւթ (bay-bawt) “word – sad news”, յարել-վարակել  (yarel-varakel) “to connect-to infect”, ոյն-աւն (oyn-awn) “to have-posseions”, etc  As the sound Ի (i) stands close to Ւ (w) we can suppose that the character Ւ (W)origins from Ի (I)

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The origins of the Armenian character Ո (O) is explained by the evolution of the diphthong աւ (aw). It is known that in Armenian the diphtong աւ (aw) changes into ո (o) bawt-both “sad news”, dzawn – dzon “dedication”, hawt-hot “flok” etc. The previous examples show that the Armenian sound Ո (o) has origins from diphthong. Thus the character Ո  (O) in ancient times might have had two components. In fact, the evolution of the Armenian character Ո (O) has proceeded in the same way the character Ա (A), but in the certain period the metathesis has taken place. We must say that the Armenian character has relatively been conserved in rock carvings.

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The above mentioned reconstructions concerned to the principle of the partition of character, when a character was formed as a result of a gradually partition of the graphic image. Let’s refer to the other modes.

  • The duplication of the character: it is a very expanded phenomenon. The most splendid example of which is the Latin letter W which is, in fact, the reduplication of  V. But in Armenian this kind of reduplication didn’t precede mechanically, if not was a consequence of phonetic evolution. When a sound is becoming dense, actually, its phonetic content is reduplicated. Thus, for instance, v changes to b, b changes to p, etc. These phonetic changes in their turn cause reduplication of letters. this was the formation of the Armenian Ռ, Վ, Բ, Պ, Փ, Կ, Տ, Թ (R, V, B, P, Ph, K, T, Th) letters.

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  • Metathesis: it means a change of the position of a linguistic element which is motivated by different factors. Here we refer especially to the change of the position of the sound in a word. In Armenian we can find a lot of examples: ձգել -գցել (dzgel-gtsel) , “to draw- to bend”, խստոր-սխտոր (khstor-skhtor) “garlic”, etc.

Probably this principle of metathesis functioned also in the formation of Armenian letters. We must emphasize that metathesis functioned merely in the formation of those letters which expressed similar sound: Կ (K) derived from Գ (G), Շ (Sh) from Չ (Ch), Ժ (Zh) from Գ (G), etc. By means metathesis the following Armenian characters were formed.

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Generally, the major part of the Armenian characters has been formed by the principle of graphic analogy based on sound analogy. In Armenian, for instance, the sound յ (y) has received the pronunciation h (h) յաղթել-հաղթել (yaghtel-haghtel) “to vanquish”, յարել-հարել(yarel-harel) “to connect”, յայտնի-հայտնի (yaytni-haytni) “evident” , etc. That means that the Armenian character Հ (H) might have  derived from the character Յ (Y). It might have been proceeded in the following way:

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The sound similarity permits to connect the Armenian character Ճ (Tch) to Ծ (Ts’), Ս (S) to Ծ (Ts’), Ց (Ts) to Ձ (Dz) etc.

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Another important point.

The internal reconstruction of the Armenian characters indicates that the Alphabet created by Armenian people contains an enormous information which is inherited by us from remote times.  From this point of view the first five letters of the Armenian alphabet Ա, Բ, Գ, Դ, Ե (A, B, G, D, E), which have their denominations Այբ, Բեն, Գին, Դա, Եչ (Ayb, Be, Gin, Da, Ech) are of greater interest. The internal reconstruction of these denominations is being carried out in the following way:

Այբ-արբ-արեբ-արեւ/ի

Բեն- բայն-բարն-բարին/ի 

Գիմ-գէմ-գայմ-գարիմի

Դա-դայ-դար

Եչ-եկ/ի

(Ayb- arb- areb-arew/i

Ben-bayn-barn-barin/i

Gim-gem-gaym-garimi (=karmir

Da-day-dar)

éch ek/i.

In the previous list the only item that needs clarification is the form դար (dar) which can be identified by the Armenian word դար “a high place” or can be considered as a variant of the word դուրս (durs) “outside” . If we try to read the forms reconstructed above we will get the expresion Արեւի բարինի գարիմի դար եկի (arevi, barini, garimi, dar eki) which means Արեւ բարի կարմիր դուրս արի  Kind red sun, rise!

Evidently, in the denominations of the first five letters of the Armenian alphabet is the ritual formula or pray is conserved. By the way, the number of the letters in the Armenian alphabet is 36, is also related to the number of turns of the sun. in fact, in the Armenian alphabet we have got the model of the movement of the sun, which also explains the order of the Armenian letters: from left to right.

The internal reconstruction of the Armenian alphabet permits to make the following conclusions:

  • Before Mesrop Mashtots the Armenian alphabet had passed a long way of evolution suffering certain modifications motivated by the phonetic regulations of Armenian. Thus this factor exclude the possibility of the decisive influence of foreign characters (Greek, Aramaic, Iranian) on the formation of the Armenian alphabet.
  • Mesrop Mashtots didn’t create his proper alphabet, if not had modified the Armenian pagan characters. In the same way as the pagan stone art later developed into Christian khachkar (cross-stones), the heathen set of characters was transformed into the “Christian” alphabet. Actually the whole Armenian culture, as well as the Alphabet was christianized.
  • The internal reconstruction of the Armenian alphabet and also of the Armenian phonetic system permits us to revise the figure of the external relations of the Armenian language. Of course, we cannot deny that some of the Armenian characters are quite similar to “semitic” (I would say phoenician) characters, from which Greek and Iranian alphabets have generated. The origin of the Aramaic alphabet, which is the base of most wildly spread alphabets of the world, is not known, neither it has been deciphered yet by the method of internal reconstruction.  The similarities found between the Aramaic letters and certain Armenian characters must be observed as a result of their formation in the same cultural sphere.

BY THE WAY

Other sources are mentioned in the articleARMEN15

According to the research done by Vahan Sargsyan

SOURCE https://narinnamkn.wordpress.com

(TO BE CONTINUED)

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