Similarities between Georgian and Armenian alphabets (a)


Асомтаврули и армянский алфавит

Предыдущая тема насчет алфавитов с комрадом  заставила меня покопаться в исторических корнях грузинского письма.
«Асомтаврули» – ранний грузинский алфавит, также имеет позднее строчное начертание «Нуша-Хучури». Грузинские источники не приводят конкретных авторов грузинского письма, дается лишь 4-5 вв., армянские источники утверждают, что грузинский алфавит создал он же , создавший до этого армянскую письменность.
Сравнивая Авомтаврули с армянским алфавитом можно найти вот такие совпадения:

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Тут более подробное описание Асомтаврули, но опять таки армянского источника не приводится.
А сходства реально много. Я тут выложил 18 самых явных совпадений. Всего букв 38. Получается около 50 процентов алфавита практически идентична. И в принципе можно глубже покопать.

I was reading on the Georgian alphabet when I noticed something interesting. The  following is the earliest form of the Georgian alphabet founded in the year 430 called the Asomtavruli letters. Do some of the letters, if not a big part, look familiar?

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I was reading on the Georgian alphabet when I noticed something interesting. The following is the earliest form of the Georgian alphabet founded in the year 430 called the Asomtavruli letters. Do some of the letters, if not a big part, look familiar?

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Yes they do, and do they denote the same sounds as the Armenian versions?

Not all of them match ours but i’ve realized some interesting points to take into consideration:
-The Armenian alphabet was founded in 405 by Mesrob Mashdots.
-The earliest form of the Georgian alphabet was founded in either 412 (no evidence) or 430 (evidence found). Its origin is a mystery and various legendary Georgian figures have been attributed with its creation.
-There has always been a widespread rumour that Mesrob Mashdots had also invented the Georgian alphabet, something Georgians vehemently deny.
-Mashdots lived until the year 440.
-This earliest form of the Georgian script was mainly used in churches. The Armenian alphabet was allegedly an inspiration from God and one of the primary reasons why we even invented an alphabet was to translate the Bible into Armenian letters instead of using Greek all the time.
-The Georgian alphabet has two of the following letters: t, e, p, k, g, h, ts and possibly others I missed. Very similar to Armenian.
-The Georgian alphabet when transliterated to Latin goes by this “A, B, G, D, E, V, Z, T’…” This is almost in line with Eastern Armenian.

This is not all it seems. Mashdots also created the Caucasian Albanian alphabet! And there’s sources for this:
According to Moses Kalankaytuk, the Caucasian Albanian alphabet was created by Mesrob Mashdots, the Armenian monk, theologian and translator who is also credited with creating the Armenian alphabet.
Armenian historian, Koriun, in his book The Life of Mashtots, wrote:
Then there came and visited them an elderly man, an Albanian named Benjamin. And he Mesrob Mashdots inquired and examined the barbaric diction of the Albanian language, and then through his usual God-given keenness of mind invented an alphabet, which he, through the grace of Christ, successfully organized and put in order.

Their alphabet is similar to ours as well.

Here is an interesting chart I found on a Georgian grammar website, www.armazi.com/georgian. If you look at Columns B and C (Asomtavruli and Nuskhuri versions of the alphabet), you will see that a lot of the letters, while not matching Armenian sounds, are either identical or nearly identical to the Armenian alphabet.
Especially of note are #5 (ղ), 13 (ծ,ժ), 14 (հ), 16 (ա), 18 (վ), 20 (ն), 22 (վ), 25 (փ), 28 (ց), 29 (ի), 30 (ը), 32 (պ), 37 (տ) and 38 (ծ,ժ). There are just too many “coincidences” for there not to be any link between the Georgian and Armenian alphabets.

There’s more. The #16 ա letter is equivalent to our “ո” (o). And the letter #22 վ is equivalent to our “ւ” (small v, usually transcribed “w”). Check what comes right after (#23). ավ = “ու” = “oo”/”u”. And like mentioned earlier, the sounds match Armenian sounds as well. Notice how “F” is also missing in their alphabet? (We added F/Ֆ centuries later due to our contact with the French & Crusaders).

If you take a look at the letters themselves in Asomtavruli and Nuskkuri (especially), you’ll see how much it energizes an Armenian’s bias towards the idea that we gave it to them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ge…_alphabets.PNG

The invention of the Georgian and the Aghvan (Gargar) alphabets has been reported by our historians. Khorenatsi and Koryun, both students of Mashtots, have independently corroborated this. It is interesting that they have not made a big deal of it. They probably viewed those peoples as part of their nation and the borders (national and territorial) did not have the exact same meaning as they do now.
The dates of the oldest samples of these alphabets that go back to the times of Mashtots and the touch of the master, confirm that it’s his work. The order of letters and their numerical values are yet other facts worth mentioning.
The Georgians deny this out of inferiority complex developed in the last couple of centuries or so, yet I believe their own historians must have recorded the fact as well which they most probably hide.
I read on one of their sites that said something in the line of “the Armenians claim it was invented by Mesrop Mashtots but their claim is not scientific”!
Their scientific facts tell us that Christian priests invented their alphabet in the third century BC, yet they won’t name a source. The reason they date this in pre-Christian era is because they want to be the first Christian nation thus, they have to go back so far as to make it impossible for anyone else to claim that title.
Some others say their king Parnavaz invented the Georgian alphabet, but as far as I know kings in those days did not engage in similar activities.

Translation of Koryun on ArmenianHouse.org

List of academic sources that acknowledge Armenian Mesrop Mashdots was the creator of the Georgian alphabet.
1. Lenore A. Grenoble. Language policy in the Soviet Union. Springer, 2003. ISBN 1402012985. P. 116. “The creation of the Georgian alphabet is generally attributed to Mesrop, who is also credited with the creation of the Armenian alphabet.”
2. Donald Rayfield “The Literature of Georgia: A History (Caucasus World). RoutledgeCurzon. ISBN 0700711635. P. 19. “The Georgian alphabet seems unlikely to have a pre-Christian origin, for the major archaeological monument of the first century 4IX the bilingual Armazi gravestone commemorating Serafua, daughter of the Georgian viceroy of Mtskheta, is inscribed in Greek and Aramaic only. It has been believed, and not only in Armenia, that all the Caucasian alphabets — Armenian, Georgian and Caucaso-Albanian — were invented in the fourth century by the Armenian scholar Mesrop Mashtots.<…> The Georgian chronicles The Life of Kanli – assert that a Georgian script was invented two centuries before Christ, an assertion unsupported by archaeology. There is a possibility that the Georgians, like many minor nations of the area, wrote in a foreign language — Persian, Aramaic, or Greek — and translated back as they read.”
3. Catholic Encyclopedia. Mesrob. “But his activity was not confined to Eastern Armenia. Provided with letters from Isaac he went to Constantinople and obtained from the Emperor Theodosius the Younger permission to preach and teach in his Armenian possessions. He evangelized successively the Georgians, Albanians, and Aghouanghks, adapting his alphabet to their languages, and, wherever he preached the Gospel, he built schools and appointed teachers and priests to continue his work. Having returned to Eastern Armenia to report on his missions to the patriarch, his first thought was to provide a religious literature for his countrymen.”
4. Britannica. Alphabet. “The Aramaic alphabet was probably also the prototype of the Brāhmī script of India, a script that became the parent of nearly all Indian writings. Derived from the Aramaic alphabet, it came into being in northwest India. The Armenian and Georgian alphabets, created by St. Mesrob (Mashtots) in the early 5th century ad, were also based on the Aramaic alphabet.”
5. Glen Warren Bowersock, Peter Robert Lamont Brown, Oleg Grabar. Late antiquity: a guide to the postclassical world. Harvard University Press, 1999. ISBN 0674511735. P. 289. James R. Russell. Alphabets. ” Mastoc’ was a charismatic visionary who accomplished his task at a time when Armenia stood in danger of losing both its national identity, through partition, and its newly acquired Christian faith, through Sassanian pressure and reversion to paganism. By preaching in Armenian, he was able to undermine and co-opt the discourse founded in native tradition, and to create a counterweight against both Byzantine and Syriac cultural hegemony in the church. Mastoc’ also created the Georgian and Caucasian-Albanian alphabets, based on the Armenian model.”
6. George L. Campbell. Compendium of the World’s Languages. — Routledge; New edition edition (May 14, 1998) — ISBN 0415160499. P. 183. “Old Georgian was written in the xucuri character, traditionally invented by Mesrop Mashtots, to whom the Armenians owe their script. In the eleventh century the ecclesiastical xucuri was replaced by the character known as the mxedruli ‘civil’, which is in use today. Georgian is the only Caucasian language to have developed its own script.”
7. Merriam-Webster’s Encyclopedia of Literature. Merriam-Webster, 1995. ISBN 0877790426. P. 756. “Mesrob”. “A collection of biblical commentaries, translations of patristic works, and liturgical prayers and hymns is credited to Mesrob, corroborating his reputation for having laid the foundation of a national Armenian liturgy. He is also credited with contributing to the origin of the Georgian alphabet.”
8. Russian: «История Востока», ЗАКАВКАЗЬЕ В IV—XI вв — Институт Востоковедения РАН. “Христианизация закавказских стран имела важные последствия и для развития местной культуры. На рубеже IV-V вв. появилась армянская письменность, созданная Месропом Маштоцем. Не без его помощи были изобретены и национальные алфавиты в Грузии и Албании. “
9. Peter R. Ackroyd, C. F. Evans, Geoffrey William Hugo Lampe, Stanley Lawrence Greenslade. The Cambridge History of the Bible: From the Beginnings to Jerome — Cambridge University Press, 1975 — ISBN 0521099730. P. 367. “Georgia was converted during the fourth century, tradition has it by the agency of an Armenian slave woman, and whether these details are in any measure true or not, the tradition probably indicates the source of the Georgians’ knowledge of Christianity and the Christian scriptures. These did not begin to be translated into Georgian until Mesrop, provider of an Armenian alphabet, also supplied the Georgians with an adequate means of transcription for their speech.”

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(TO BE CONTINUED)

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1 Response to Similarities between Georgian and Armenian alphabets (a)

  1. simonjkyte says:

    Whoever invented it could have made some of the letters look slightly more different to one another – has given me a hard time learning it – far more so than armenian

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