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CT)Graikos & Ellnvas

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To parakatw keimeno to egrapse h Elizabeth Kosmetatou, se apanthsh twn pollwn erwthsewn pou exoume se ayto to 9ema. Oi parathrhseis einai basismenes se phges apo keimena pou brhke sth biblio9hkh:

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998

Graikos kai Ellnvas
Greece: H le3n autn pronl0e apo to “Graikos”. 0a grapsw omws perissotera gia auto. Arxika avaferotav se orismeves npeirwtikes fyles pou katoikousav kovta stn Dwdwvn (blepe Aristotelous, Meteorologika, I.14). Argotera egive syvwvymn tou Ellnva kai avaferetai apo tous parakatw syggrafeis kai vtokoumevta: Pario Marmaro’ Apollodwro (Biblio0nkn, I.7.3), le3iko tou Souida,  Kallimaxo (se apospasma pou avaferei o Strabwv sta Gewgrafika tou, I.46 kai 5.216), apo to Lykofrova (deuteros aiwvas p.X.’ Ale3avdra, 605), tov Ale3avdro tov Polyistora (teln deuterou-prwtos aiwvas p.X.’ Aitia, apospasma 2). Apo tous Ellnves n le3n perase stous Rwmaious kai apo kei se alles glwsses plnv tns ellnvikns kai tns lativikns.
Apo tous Byzavtivous syggrafeis, tn le3n avaferouv: o Stefavos Byzavtios pou eznse stnv Kwvstavtivoupoln tov 6o aiwva m.X. (sygxrovos tou Ioustiviavou). Avaferei tn le3n “Grakaoi” sto ergo tou “E0vika-Arkadia”, 50.6. Tn le3n avaferei kai to Etymologicum Magnum (le3iko tou 9ou-10ou aiwva m.X.) kai malista leei oti ypnrxe kai paraf0armevn morfn tns “Raikoi” pou tn xrnsimopoiousav oi “barbaroi”. Na e3ngnsw giati: Stnv arxaiotnta, to gramma “ro” ntav dasy kai oi le3eis pou arxizav apo “ro” epairvav daseia, pou ypodnlwve bebaia oti proferovtav me eva apalo “x”. P.x. n le3n “Elevn” 0a proferotav “Xelevn” (oxi opws xelwva omws pou grafotav me “x”), opws peripou snmera proferoume to “Helen” sta agglika. 0a paratnrnses bebaia oti oles oi ellnvikes le3eis pou pairvouv daseia kai perasav sta agglika (kai se alles glwsses, alla oxi se oles, p.x. oxi sta italika) grafovtai me “H”. Epeidn loipov oi legomevoi “barbaroi” mperdeuovtav stnv profora, n akoma epeidn n proswdiakn profora eixe ndn arxisei va f0ivei kata tous Byzavtivous xrovous, mplekovtav o kosmos kai egrafav lav0asmeva “Raikoi” me daseia, e3iswvovtas to “G” me tn daseia.
H le3n “Grakoi” avaferetai kai apo tov Eusta0io (12os aiwvas m.X.), episkopo 0essalovikns (890.14), ka0ws kai apo to Fwtio (Biblio0nkn, 480.15).
Na e3ngnsw telos ta my0ologika tns le3ns: Oi fyles twv Graikwv tns Hpeirou isxyrizovtav oti katagovtav apo tov nrwa Graiko pou ntav, leei, gios tou Dia kai tns Pavdwras, korns tou Deukaliwva (mnv tnv mperdeuete me tnv Pavdwra tou Epimn0ea pou ntav koukla ftiagmevn apo tous 0eous). Tnv plnroforia autn tnv pairvoume apo tov Hsiodo, Katalogoi (?), apospasma 24 kai tnv exei ypopsn tou kai o Aristotelns (Meteorologika, I.14). Symfwva me alles pnges (Lydos, De mens. I. 13, p. 7.22 W kai Stefavos Byzavtios), Graikos ntav eva apo ta ovomata tou Ellnva, tou giou tou Deukaliwva kai patriarxn twv Ellnvwv.
Twra n le3n “Ellas” (Hellas). Pame sta etymologika tns: n le3n proerxetai mallov apo to “selas” (fws), opws leei o Curtius (Gr. Etym.) kai opws symfwvouve mallov oloi oi filologoi basismevoi stous paramatw syggrafeis:

  • Euripidn (Hraklns Maivomevos, 1),
  • Hrodoto (8.23),
  • Strabwva (10.445f),
  • Stefavo Byzavtio, Polybio (11.7.4),
  • Hsyxio Milnsio (opou dev divw parapompes, auto snmaivei oti prokeitai gia lnmmata le3ikwv).

Kai pali n le3n faivetai va syvdeetai me tnv perioxn tns Dwdwvns stnv Hpeiro (Sxolia stnv omnrikn Iliada, 21.194′ Aristotelns, Meteorologika. I.14.352a). To apospasma tou Aristoteln leei kata le3n oti:
O kaloumevos epi Deukaliwvos kataklysmos egeveto peri Ellada tnv arxaiav’ autn d’ estiv n peri Dwdwvnv. Wkouv gar oi Selloi evtau0a kai oi kaloumevoi tote mev Graikoi, vyv de Ellnves“.
Nomizw oti dev xreiazeste metafrasn, eukolo eivai. Faivetai loipov oti oi Graikoi ovomazovtav kai Selloi kai telika edwsav to ovoma tous sto my0ologiko nrwa, gio tou Deukaliwva, tov Ellnva n Graiko. Stnv arxaiotnta oi Ellnves protimousav to “Ellnves”. Oi Lativoi gia kapoio logo protimnsav to “Graikos”. Telika perase to “Graikos” stis 3eves glwsses kai gia auto to logo exoume Greece, Grece, Griechenland, Griekenland, Grecia, ktl. Ws gvwstov, oi “filoi” kai geitoves (Tourkoi) protimouv to Yunanistan kai Yunan, ta opoia fysika proerxovtai apo to Iwvia kai Iwv.
Liza

Z)Γραικοὶ καὶ Ἕλληνες (Δαμιανὸς Στρουμπούλης, Robert Graves)

Από την ηλεκτρονική λίστα "hellas" (hellas@lists.psu.edu)
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Damiavos Stroumpoulns, Robert Graves:

Subject: Re: Hellas vs Greece
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:55:19 +0100
From: Souli Boussiou 

As balw ki egw to li8araki mou sth suzhthsh pou 3ekinhse o Andreas.

>        Mia erwthsh: to Greece vgainei apo to Grekos(?),
>pou xrisimopoiousan oi Tourkoi gia na anaferontai stous Ellines?
>Sto ekswteriko, poso poli xrisimopoieite o titlos ``Hellas''
>anti gia ``Greece'', kai poso to katalavainoun oi ksenoi
>(kala, edw exw dei Kinezous `..ohh, you are going to Greek'!!!)?
>Poio einai to antoistixo tou Greek katw apo to Hellas?
>        Stin pro-Tourkokratoumenh Ellada, pws anaferontan i
>xwra mas?

Brhka kai sas metaferw apospasmata apo to ar8ro tou Damianou Stroumboulh
sthn efhmerida "H Glwssa mas" (Noembrios-Dekembrios 1996) me titlo
Ellhn-Graikos h Rwmhos?

"Polloi kata kairous grafoun h kai diaplhktizontai, an prepei na
onomazomaste Graikoi h Ellhnes kai h xwra mas Greece h Hellas. O ka8enas
ferei ta epixeirhmata tou, rhxa h hmima8h sunh8ws plhn elaxistwn, kai
lhsmonei oti den eimaste oi monoi pou exoun duo e8nika onomata. Uparxoun
France kai Gallia, Allemagne kai Germany (alla kai Deutschland shmeiwnw
egw), Swisse kai Helvetia, Espana kai Iberia, Holland kai Nederland kai
loipa.
......
Kat'arxhn h8ela na pw oti ta duo sunh8ws onomata apodidontai se palaioterous
idiws laous, alla kai polla shmerina neopagh krath allazoun e8nikes
onomasies, eite apo tous idious tous laous, eite apo tous allous laous
(skeftomai twra to paradeigma tou Zair kai tou Kogko). Dhladh legetai o
ka8enas opws pisteuei oti ekfrazetai swsta kai istorika, kai legetai
sugxronws opws ton blepoun oi alloi. Oi laoi peri3 tou Boreiou Polou
onomazontai Eskimwoi, dhladh autoi pou trwne wmo kreas gemato aima, enw oi
idioi apokaloun ton eauto tous Inouit, dhladh an8rwpoi. Emeis legomaste
Ellas, alla gia tous Tourkous eimaste Yunanistan, kratos dhladh twn Iwnwn.
Emeis leme kapoio kratidio Skopia, autoi 8eloun na legontai Makedonia.
k.o.k.
En toutois, oi duo onomasies Graikos kai Ellhn, einai istorikes kai
panarxaies. ..... O Graikos shmainei eleu8eros, opws ermhneuei o Hsuxios
Grammatikos tou 450 m.X. h fronimos h sofos (Raxos h Graxos o Ellhn, dhloi
de para tois barbarois ton eleu8eron). Paragetai apo thn arxaia onomasia
Graes pou 8a pei sofoi, sebastoi, opws Gerwn den einai o hlikiwmenos alla o
sofos (ton Kolokotrwnh ton eponomazan Gero hdh apo ta deka3i tou
xronia)...... .........
O Robert Graves ston prwto tomo tou perispoudastou tritomou ergou tou "oi
ellhnikoi mu8oi", grafei oti Ellhn legotan o gios tou Deukaliwna kai htan
basilikos anaplhrwths ths iereias ths 8eas Graias, onomasia ths 8eas Ghs. O
idios grafei oti argotera ektopisthke h latreia ths Ghs apo th latreia tou
Hliou (endiamesos o Ellhn apo to Elios-Selios-Hlios) kai ths fwteinhs 8eas
Ellhs h Selhnhs, e3 hs oi Ellhnes. Epomenws, Graikoi htan oi arxaioteroi, oi
latreis ths Ghs, sebastoi kai sofoi gerontes, enw Ellhnes oi ekpolitizomenoi
latreis tou fwtos, tou Hliou.
To e3 isou endiaferon s'autes tis duo "e8nikes", or8otera fuletikes
onomasies, einai oti sustoixoun kai oi onomasies olwn sxedon twn eurwpaikwn
fulwn, ekferomenes me ton braxutero h makrotero tupo lalias: Bruges kai
argotera Fruges, Brigantes, arxaioi laoi ths Bretannias, argotera Bretannoi,
8rakes, Armenioi, Fragkoi, Germanoi, Brabanth kai Bruxelles, enw sta gallika
Franc kai agglika Free 8a pei eleu8eros, Fragkiskos o Eleu8erios kai Franco
Wagon einai to emboreuma eleu8eras dieleusews.
H le3h Ellas exei riza El-Hlios, ela h upshlh, oreinh, fwteinh h
leukoxionismenh xwra, diaselo to fwteino perasma anamesa se duo bouna,
hlibatos o upshloteros topos, Ella (kai otan h daseia ginetai s-Sella) h
oreinh edra tou Upsistou 8eou (ezomai, ka8hmai), Ellania h gurw perioxh,
Ellopia, Elloi, Selloi, Ellhnes kai Belladai, oi endo3oi i8agenois progonoi.
Sustoixoun oi Alpeis, Albania, Elbetia, Albiwn, Balwnia, Belgion, Balkania,
Allamania, Ollandia, Galatia, Gallia (sthn Ellada o hlios legetai kai ghlios).
Alfos 8a pei leukos kai alfita ta paragomena apo to leuko aleuri trofima.
8a mborousan na proste8oun kai polla alla, arkoun omws nomizw auta gia na
e3hghsoun th diplh mas panarxaia onomasia. Gia tous allous eimaste Graes,
dhladh eleu8eroi an8rwpoi, kai giauto sebastoi, gia mas eimaste Ellhnes,
dhladh an8rwpoi tou fwtos kai tou politismou.
As er8oume twra sto Rwmhos, pou dustuxws xrhsimopoieitai, eite apo amelethth
sunh8eia, eite kai apo elafrothta.
To kratos tou Megalou Kwnstantinou htan h nea morfh ths Rwmaikhs
autokratorias. Kai ka8ws eixan ekleipsei pro pollou e8nikws oi Ellhnes,
proswnumia pou eshmaine pleon eidwlolatres, mishtoi apo tous en8ousiwntes
opadous ths neas 8rhskeias, oloi oi uphkooi tou Kwnstantinou kai twn ameswn
diadoxwn tou, e8ewrounto kai onomazonto Rwmaioi, adiakritwn allwn e8nikwn
onomasiwn. Polu nwris omws h ellhnikh glwssa e3etopise th latinikh, opote ta
panta arxisan na metagrafontai sta ellhnika, ena deigma oti h glwssa
apergazetai thn e8nikh tautothta. S'authn thn ellhnopoihsh tou anatolikou
kratous, sth diadosh ths ellhnikhs glwssas kai paideias kai kuriws sthn
ellhnikh ekfrash kai diatupwsh ths kuriarxhsashs neas 8rhskeias, sunebalan
apofasistika h diarkhs ep'ekklhsiais anagnwsh ths Kainhs Dia8hkhs, oi
Ellhnes Pateres kai oi Umnwdoi, osoi kai oi anwnumoi monaxoi pou antegrafan
se ru8mo "tupografeiou" tous arxaious Ellhnes suggrafeis.
................
Gia ton katakthth Tourko, oi katakth8entes hsan ragiades h gkiaourhdes,
dhladh douloi h apistoi, oi de e3 autwn perissotero probeblhmenoi hsan Rum,
dhladh Rwmaioi, Rwmhoi. Gi'auto kai oi katakth8entes protimousan thn
epwnumia Rwmhoi anti twn duo allwn. Monon oi Tourkoi onomasan tous Ellhnes
Rwmhous, mia onomasia pou den eixe kamia apolutws sxesh me thn e8nothta twn
Ellhnwn, plhn ths onomasias tou prwhn Buzantinou kratous. Kai shmera akomh
to Oikoumeniko Patriarxeio apokaleitai epishmws apo to tourkiko kratos Rum
Patrikanesi, enw den exei kamia sxesh me th Rwmh h tous Rwmaious. Alla
shmainei Xani, dhladh spiti tou Patriarxh twn Rwmhwn. Outws h allws to
Rwmhoi htan perissotero apodekto apo to Gkiaourhdes h Ragiades. Gi'auto kai
oi e3 Anatolhs katagomenoi Ellhnes, oi edw onomas8entes prosfuges,
e3akolou8hsan na autonomazontai Rwmhoi, enw h onomasia einai entelws asxeth,
kai enw exei kai kapoia dosh ypotimhsews, afou 8umizei thn tourkikh
upodoulwsh. Polu or8a o Korahs kataferetai enantion ths onomasias.
...........
Katalhgw: Opoios 8elei na ferei sto metwpo tou to stigma ths douleias, as
onomasei ton eayto tou Rwmho. Emeis oi alloi, oi Graikoi kai Ellhnes
protimoume tis arxaies e8nikes kai timhmenes mas onomasies."

Gia thn antigrafh,
s.

>"Οι δύο ονομασίες Γραικός και Ελλην είναι ιστορικές και πανάρχαιες....... Ο
>Γραικός σημαίνει ελεύθερος..... παράγεται από την αρχαία ονομασία Γράες που
>θα πει σοφοί, σεβαστοί, όπως Γέρων δεν είναι ηλικιωμένος αλλά ο σοφός......
>οι περί τον συνοικισμό Γραία της Δωδώνης ονομάζονται Γραικοί, ονομασία η
>οποία μέσω της δυτικής προς την Ελλάδα θάλασσα πέρασε στους Λατίνους που
>ονομάζουν τους κατοίκους της Ελλάδας Γραικούς....."
>
>Ακολουθούν εξηγήσεις για το Ελλην και το Ρωμηός. Το υποτιμητικό, κατά το
>συγγραφέα δεν είναι το Γραικός, αλλά το Ρωμηός που φέρει το στίγμα της
>δουλείας από τους Τούρκους. Το Γραικός και το Ελλην είναι αρχαίες εθνικές
>μας τιμημένες ονομασίες

 

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